Technique question [Doubles]

[Vdrummer]

I don't do that either and move straight up and down. People have different shaped and sized hands and that may account for some variations in advice.

Brad

[donu]

I tried it for a moment, not bad but i prefer open close technique like you, that say i'll give a try again maybe later [img]wink.gif[/img]

[delfs]

I don't do it either... I must admit, though, that I do see some logic in it. His way you seem to get more of a full second stroke, instead of trying to make 2 strokes of a single position.
... and his double stroke roll _is_ floooowing [img]cool.gif[/img]

Jonas

[Kurt R]

I can see why he does it but don't really know why he would do it.

I always just played the second beat a lil harder and when I got fast it got pretty smooth.

[adrummerforhire]

I do it. At least a little bit. Its ergonomically correct, and much better for your wrists in the long run. You can see Jim Chapin talk about the same thing - its the way your body was designed to move.

Check out the difference:
Sit down at the drumset, and lay your palm flat on your snare. Now touch your shoulder alternately with the palm of your hand and the back of your hand. See how much more natural touching your hand with the palm feels? This is because thats just the way the body is built, and its best to let your body design guide your technique than to let you technique guide your body design ....

[CLWarunki]

I think that "twist" is just a quirk in his technique really... how many other pro drummers do you know that do this??

[Suspiria]

[sry, double post...]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 25, 2005 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Suspiria ]</font>

[Suspiria]

Interesting comments. I guess I am not really surprised that nobody strictly adheres to that twisting method. I must admit, I really like the sound of his roll, but it can certainly be achieved in many different ways. For example, I give my rolls a more "open" sound to them by accenting the second note of the double. Especially at higher speeds the effect of this becomes clear.

Regardless, I was just interested in hearing people's opinions since I am currently in a phase of testing of the various approaches of how to play certain rudiments/patterns. I guess everyone does that at some point to keep maturing as a drummer.

[XNavyDrummer]

Dave's demo of the twist in isolation is an exaggeration of what happens in real time. It's purpose, I think is to the get the student think about the motion in that direction.

If you look at his Moeller demo where he's playing on the high-hat (quarters, eighths, triplets, sixteenths) you'll see that his version of the Moeller technique has the back side of the stick moving away from the body with each successive stroke in a group. So, the "twist" is just a portion of what he's doing for say triplets or sixteenths. When I studied with Dave, the twist wasn't emphasized but this lateral motion of the back of the stick was stressed. I do use this motion and the difference in my doubles is like night and day. They were "okay" before, but as Dave says they were "tight, precise and small". Playing with his method, the sound of the doubles is much stronger.

[Suspiria]

Andy, just so I'm getting this right:
The point of the wrist twisting is to create a forward/backward movement of the stick, creating a more open sound?